Comments on: Accuracy of EPA Gas Mileage Estimates

By: Don

Don — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:04:10 +0000

There is a group of us out there that actually NEED a pickup sized vehicle for our work. The best I’ve been able to do is a Chevy WT (work truck) rated at 22/18 with a 4.2 (or 4.3 rounded way up for the market) engine. Now, I only need that size/load capacity/power for about 20% of the time. The other 80% I could use a smaller, more efficient vehicle but the logistics of using two vehicles at the right times is prohibitive due to nationwide travel and cost of ownership of two vehicles. I am strapped to a $3,000/year fuel cost because, if I can’t perform that 20% of the time, I’m out of a job. I strongly invite suggestions.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:25:36 +0000

FWIW, making sure your tire pressure is at the maximum is very important in the estimate. Along with proper vehicle maintenance.
Our Sienna experienced much less than what the EPA estimate was. However, after we upped the pressure to the maximum 51 psi, the average mileage has already started climbing (it keeps track of this for you).
If a tire is not at the maximum psi, the tires will often wear on the outsides of the tire, and if it’s too much pressure, they will wear off faster on the center portion of the tire itself.

By: FMF

FMF — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:48:53 +0000

I said “almost”.

By: Blaine Moore

Blaine Moore — Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:43:23 +0000

I don’t. But you are the one that said that it is almost like a contribution. I was just pointing out the difference. Heheh.

By: FMF

FMF — Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:31:15 +0000

Yea, but for $12 (or whatever it is) who cares?

By: Blaine Moore

Blaine Moore — Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:05:19 +0000

Yeah, except that it is not tax deductible.

By: FMF

FMF — Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:02:02 +0000

Blaine — That’s how I feel. It’s almost like a contribution.

By: Blaine Moore

Blaine Moore — Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:27:18 +0000

Given that the magazine has no advertisers and runs mostly on subscription and donation income, I don’t mind subscribing.

By: FMF

FMF — Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:36:47 +0000

Us too. We actually save our old copies in a file and then pull them out when we have a buying decision. Well worth the subscription (though you can get the info free from the library).

By: Blaine Moore

Blaine Moore — Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:39:02 +0000

It’s one of the few magazines that does not get tossed in the recycling bin when we finish reading it.

By: FMF

FMF — Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:41:34 +0000

CR is a great resource for buying almost anything. We’ve used it for years and always refer to it before buying anything. In fact, we just used it this weekend as we’re looking for a new dishwasher.

By: Blaine Moore

Blaine Moore — Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:55:23 +0000

They should talk to Consumer Reports. They’ve tried providing them a better method for testing that for years now.

By: FMF

FMF — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:03:54 +0000

What do you expect from the government, accuracy?

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:34:05 +0000

I found this at the top of EPA’s fuel economy page:

IMPORTANT REMINDER: EPA’s Fuel Economy estimates are designed to allow consumers to comparison shop. Your fuel economy will almost certainly vary from EPA’s fuel economy rating. This is based on a number of factors, such as how you drive and maintain your vehicle, use of air conditioning and other accessories, weather, road conditions, and other factors. EPA is currently evaluating ways to improve our fuel economy estimates so they better reflect real-world driving, and we plan to propose changes in the coming year. For more information on how your fuel economy can vary, or tips to improve your fuel economy, please visit Your MPG Will Vary and Gas Mileage Tips on http://www.fueleconomy.gov.

By: Bonz Xylophone

Bonz Xylophone — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:09:42 +0000

I get just as good or better mileage than rated on my 93 Sentra. People are probably complaining about these EPA results because they drive the hell out of their cars. Of course you’re not going to get 30mpg city if you’re flooring it all the time. I can easily get 30mpg city b/c I don’t drive like a moron of the common extreme go to an extreme stop attitude.

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 06:40:24 +0000

Even the EPA itself doesn’t reccomend their estimates for more than an “apples to apples” comparison. The virtue of those numbers is that they’re based on a standardized set of tests applied the same way to every vehicle. Your mileage will vary based on all the things no statistic on the sticker could ever cover accurately (road conditions, driving habits, vehicle load, etc), but the EPA tests provide a method for an accurate comparison of the factors in fuel economy that are built into vehicle design.

So yeah…don’t plan your monthly budget down to the penny based on plugging your new car’s EPA mileage into a calculator and doing the arithmetic…but that doesn’t mean the numbers aren’t good for anything.

By: nickel

nickel — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 04:03:54 +0000

Reverend: Great reminder on checking the air in your spare — it does no good if it’s flat when you need it!

By: jim

jim — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:46:26 +0000

Yeah, those EPA estimates are always high…

By: Reverend

Reverend — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:12:20 +0000

I had a Grand Cherokee achieve substantially better mileage than the EPA rating. Do the math before buying a hybrid – at $3.30/gal for fuel, it’ll take 36 years to break even if I replace my ‘91 Corvette with a Prius, and that is going by the overly optimistic EPA rating.

Oh – CHECK THE AIR IN YOUR TIRES. It makes a big difference (and don’t forget the spare).

By: Tad Stein

Tad Stein — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:41:45 +0000

To expect a single number (one for each City and Highway) to reflect the driving styles, passenger loads, road conditions, etc. is assinine. People are just looking for faults where I’d say the gov’t is actually doing a good job. As for the hybrids I can only guess that the EPA’s statistical forecast algorithm thingamabobber (technical term) is tuned for gasoline-only cars. It has, after all had over 20 years to tune it.

My ‘00 Saturn SC2 is rated at 27/37. My commute is about 4 miles city, 8 miles highway and I get between about 30 and 35MPG. I drive aggressively some days, and almost always accelerate quickly (no spinning) at a green light. I imagine I could easily get over 35MPG if I didn’t go quickly from a dead stop, or use engine braking on the highway rather than causing traffic by flashing brakelights for a 5MPH speed adjustment.

My $0.02

By: Alberto F

Alberto F — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:02:34 +0000

I totally agree with Matt B. I have a 2003 Nissan Altima 2.5, and I am getting EPA or better mileage. You just have to drive carefully. Many (most?) drivers seem to be trying very hard to get the worst mileage they can…

By: Matt B

Matt B — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:35:56 +0000

In my experience with a 93 sentra, 2000 and 97 maxima and 2004 mpv I’ve found the EPA actually quite accurate. I’d say it’s optimistic by as much 10-20% on the MPV, which was the one furthest off epa, but with my 2000 maxima the EPA was, if anything, pessimistic, as I’ve occasionally gotten better than EPA on the highway. The other cars it was reasonably close. Remember, highway would be at 65-70, not at 80 with the AC on. City would be gentle driving, not hammering it.

By: Sam

Sam — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:16:52 +0000

With hybrids I’ve heard the EPA estimates are way off and consequently customers are complaining. But with diesel I’ve read, heard, and experienced the opposite. Many drivers of the newer VW TDI’s have experienced better mileage than what the EPA estimates. In my case, a much older VW diesel (1992), my actual mileage is bang on the EPA figures

By: nickel

nickel — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:26:27 +0000

As inaccurate as they are, there is still some value to these estimates in that you can make relative comparison between different makes/models. Clearly, a car that is rated for 35 MPG will get better mileage than one that is rated for 15 MPG, even if neither one approaches their actual rating.

By: Financial Fruition

Financial Fruition — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:02:19 +0000

Nice to know that a government agency can’t give consumers accurate information. What is the point of epa estimates for fuel mileage if we can’t even take them at face value and have to “discount” them by certain percentages?

I’ve always liked how Car & Driver (or maybe it was Motor Trend), did long term tests (1 year or so) and had an accurate true cost information, which included the mpg of the car over that time period.