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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2006/04/07/first-lowball-offer-received/comment-page-1/#comment-5946</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 20:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell people on the phone that my offer is 30% below retail. I have no power over these sellers and they can say yes, or they can say no. I don&#039;t see why there are hard feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell people on the phone that my offer is 30% below retail. I have no power over these sellers and they can say yes, or they can say no. I don&#8217;t see why there are hard feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2006/04/07/first-lowball-offer-received/comment-page-1/#comment-5909</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 19:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t get too cocky. Depends on where you live. I live in NYC and put in an offer 20% below the asking price (which was actually the fair price based on price per square foot for the neighborhood) 

At any rate, they finally called 2 months later to accept our “insulting bid!” Too bad for them we had already found a place. 

It’s still on the market at below our bid! 

Comment by JB — April 10, 2006 @ 11:37 am &quot;
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JB: May i have the info about that house? (hcemail@gmail.com)... my sister is looking for a house in NYC.. All asking price is way too high... 

Thanks,
Howard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t get too cocky. Depends on where you live. I live in NYC and put in an offer 20% below the asking price (which was actually the fair price based on price per square foot for the neighborhood) </p>
<p>At any rate, they finally called 2 months later to accept our “insulting bid!” Too bad for them we had already found a place. </p>
<p>It’s still on the market at below our bid! </p>
<p>Comment by JB — April 10, 2006 @ 11:37 am &#8221;<br />
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<p>JB: May i have the info about that house? (hcemail@gmail.com)&#8230; my sister is looking for a house in NYC.. All asking price is way too high&#8230; </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Howard</p>
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		<title>By: nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 00:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm, maybe the lowballers were smoking crack. We  ended up getting 98% of our asking price in six days. Actually, it only took three days for them to make their offer, and a few more days to work out the details regarding timing, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm, maybe the lowballers were smoking crack. We  ended up getting 98% of our asking price in six days. Actually, it only took three days for them to make their offer, and a few more days to work out the details regarding timing, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: softestlanding</title>
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		<dc:creator>softestlanding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm, maybe there&#039;s a housing bubble?
see patrick.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm, maybe there&#8217;s a housing bubble?<br />
see patrick.net</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2006/04/07/first-lowball-offer-received/comment-page-1/#comment-2995</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get too cocky.  Depends on where you live.  I live in NYC and put in an offer 20% below the asking price (which was actually the fair price based on price per square foot for the neighborhood) 

At any rate, they finally called 2 months later to accept our &quot;insulting bid!&quot;  Too bad for them we had already found a place.  

It&#039;s still on the market at below our bid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get too cocky.  Depends on where you live.  I live in NYC and put in an offer 20% below the asking price (which was actually the fair price based on price per square foot for the neighborhood) </p>
<p>At any rate, they finally called 2 months later to accept our &#8220;insulting bid!&#8221;  Too bad for them we had already found a place.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still on the market at below our bid!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$500 for ernest money is normal arround here.  Also, I wound&#039;t really trust pre-approval until the deal goes through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$500 for ernest money is normal arround here.  Also, I wound&#8217;t really trust pre-approval until the deal goes through.</p>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm ... $500 was all I put down for my house.  But then again, I offered what they were asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm &#8230; $500 was all I put down for my house.  But then again, I offered what they were asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if the amount of earnest money should deter a decent offer. We had 100% financing and only $500 for earnest money. Our realtor actually recommended $500 because of the market. I guess it would depend on that as well. Still, we were pre-approved before we made any offers. We bought a house 2 weeks after we started looking and closed 3 weeks later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the amount of earnest money should deter a decent offer. We had 100% financing and only $500 for earnest money. Our realtor actually recommended $500 because of the market. I guess it would depend on that as well. Still, we were pre-approved before we made any offers. We bought a house 2 weeks after we started looking and closed 3 weeks later.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it can be frustrating as a seller, but maybe they were just trying to see where you stood by starting low. Who knows, for all they know, you have a job starting on Monday and have to go quickly (I know, it is unlikely with this particular couple from the sounds of it...I am just playing Devil&#039;s Advocate). 

Just out of curiousity, how long do you have before you &quot;really&quot; need to have the house sold? We ended up selling waaaay too early on our last house (it was the first people and they offered just over asking). I think that we could have waited a lot longer and gotten even more (plus we wouldn&#039;t have had to spend 9 months in an apartment waiting for our new house to be built). 

Good luck with it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it can be frustrating as a seller, but maybe they were just trying to see where you stood by starting low. Who knows, for all they know, you have a job starting on Monday and have to go quickly (I know, it is unlikely with this particular couple from the sounds of it&#8230;I am just playing Devil&#8217;s Advocate). </p>
<p>Just out of curiousity, how long do you have before you &#8220;really&#8221; need to have the house sold? We ended up selling waaaay too early on our last house (it was the first people and they offered just over asking). I think that we could have waited a lot longer and gotten even more (plus we wouldn&#8217;t have had to spend 9 months in an apartment waiting for our new house to be built). </p>
<p>Good luck with it all.</p>
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		<title>By: nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, we&#039;re not particularly concerned about the 100% financing as long as they can get it... Our main concern is that beyond having no money for a down payment, they don&#039;t have enough for a decent amount of earnest money ($500? Come on...), and there&#039;s no evidence that a bank will look favorably upon them.

Oh, and it&#039;s not a week old, and the market here isn&#039;t weak (or even weakening). While the sign had been up for about a day and a half, the house had been in the MLS for about 12 hours when they walked through it and then made their offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, we&#8217;re not particularly concerned about the 100% financing as long as they can get it&#8230; Our main concern is that beyond having no money for a down payment, they don&#8217;t have enough for a decent amount of earnest money ($500? Come on&#8230;), and there&#8217;s no evidence that a bank will look favorably upon them.</p>
<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s not a week old, and the market here isn&#8217;t weak (or even weakening). While the sign had been up for about a day and a half, the house had been in the MLS for about 12 hours when they walked through it and then made their offer.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lisa, where the funds come from as long as there is some sort of assurance it can be funded and the deal won&#039;t collapse two weeks in is all that&#039;s necessary.

Perhaps the buyer does think the market has softened enough in your area to put a lowball-w/o-pre-approval offer on a 1 wk old house... or they just don&#039;t know they&#039;re lowballing (if say it&#039;s 10% under). When people were buying houses many many years ago, no one paid asking price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lisa, where the funds come from as long as there is some sort of assurance it can be funded and the deal won&#8217;t collapse two weeks in is all that&#8217;s necessary.</p>
<p>Perhaps the buyer does think the market has softened enough in your area to put a lowball-w/o-pre-approval offer on a 1 wk old house&#8230; or they just don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re lowballing (if say it&#8217;s 10% under). When people were buying houses many many years ago, no one paid asking price.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those low-ball offers can be frustrating, particularly when the house just went on the market - it feels so much more insulting.  I totally understand a low-ball when a house that has been sitting on the market for at least six months, but less than a week?  I&#039;m not surprised you didn&#039;t respond with a counter.

As far as 100% financing, you don&#039;t really care how much they finance, as long as you are convinced that they are good for it.  That means they need to have that pre-approval in place.  Saying &quot;we don&#039;t even have the money for a down payment and we don&#039;t even know if a bank will give us the financing&quot; is a pretty immature position from which to float an offer.  Were they working with a realtor?  You would have expected they would have received better advice than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those low-ball offers can be frustrating, particularly when the house just went on the market &#8211; it feels so much more insulting.  I totally understand a low-ball when a house that has been sitting on the market for at least six months, but less than a week?  I&#8217;m not surprised you didn&#8217;t respond with a counter.</p>
<p>As far as 100% financing, you don&#8217;t really care how much they finance, as long as you are convinced that they are good for it.  That means they need to have that pre-approval in place.  Saying &#8220;we don&#8217;t even have the money for a down payment and we don&#8217;t even know if a bank will give us the financing&#8221; is a pretty immature position from which to float an offer.  Were they working with a realtor?  You would have expected they would have received better advice than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Daytonscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daytonscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define &quot;lowball.&quot;

We once made an offer that was 10% below the asking price. The seller wouldn&#039;t even counteroffer. 

The next house we did the same, the owner counteroffered at 5% below, and we closed. I sit in that house at this moment.

I know in some hot markets your offer needs to be above the asking price, but not in my fair rust belt city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define &#8220;lowball.&#8221;</p>
<p>We once made an offer that was 10% below the asking price. The seller wouldn&#8217;t even counteroffer. </p>
<p>The next house we did the same, the owner counteroffered at 5% below, and we closed. I sit in that house at this moment.</p>
<p>I know in some hot markets your offer needs to be above the asking price, but not in my fair rust belt city.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe these people have been reading too many housing bubble blogs and think that the real estate market is collapsing overnight or something. While we&#039;re defintely getting back into the era of offering a tad below list price again, there&#039;s still enough steam left in the seller&#039;s market that people shouldn&#039;t expect to snatch up a house at bargain price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe these people have been reading too many housing bubble blogs and think that the real estate market is collapsing overnight or something. While we&#8217;re defintely getting back into the era of offering a tad below list price again, there&#8217;s still enough steam left in the seller&#8217;s market that people shouldn&#8217;t expect to snatch up a house at bargain price.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Naaden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Naaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, if they can qualify, don&#039;t knock going 100%. http://21stcmb.typepad.com/the_mortgage_reports/2005/03/want_to_be_cons.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if they can qualify, don&#8217;t knock going 100%. <a href="http://21stcmb.typepad.com/the_mortgage_reports/2005/03/want_to_be_cons.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://21stcmb.typepad.com/the....._cons.html</a></p>
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