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	<title>Comments on: Using IRA Funds to Buy a House &#8211; Good or Bad Idea?</title>
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		<title>By: Retiree</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2007/08/27/using-ira-funds-to-buy-a-house-good-or-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-135976</link>
		<dc:creator>Retiree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you fund a retirement account for the purchase of saving tax-deferred income as a down payment? With mutual funds, you get taxed. Did I just find a loophole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you fund a retirement account for the purchase of saving tax-deferred income as a down payment? With mutual funds, you get taxed. Did I just find a loophole?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80/10/10 loans are still around? Who offers these?</description>
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		<title>By: keviin</title>
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		<dc:creator>keviin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are considering doing something similar to what you described.  I have a couple of questions.  We are considering purchasing a house in february of 2010.  Should we fully fund both our IRAs this year(2009) to get a tax break, and then withdraw the money before we close?  Is the withdrawal subject to taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are considering doing something similar to what you described.  I have a couple of questions.  We are considering purchasing a house in february of 2010.  Should we fully fund both our IRAs this year(2009) to get a tax break, and then withdraw the money before we close?  Is the withdrawal subject to taxes?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens in this case ( as stated in the second paragraph).  Approaching 70 years old, can I sell the house out of the Roth to my wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens in this case ( as stated in the second paragraph).  Approaching 70 years old, can I sell the house out of the Roth to my wife?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that it might be worth pulling 10,000 out of my Roth IRA to avoid paying $200/month in PMI.  But there&#039;s definitely a long-term price to be paid for not letting the money compound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that it might be worth pulling 10,000 out of my Roth IRA to avoid paying $200/month in PMI.  But there&#8217;s definitely a long-term price to be paid for not letting the money compound.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have questions and comments about what&#039;s best to do in my situation.

I have a 70 year-old mother who has $100K in an IRA account... She has rented for 26 years despite numerous attempts to get her to purchase a home... she retired in July of 2007 and now wants to buy a house with her tiny next egg.  We have found her a place for 75K.... QUESTION: Can she and/or should she buy the house cash with the IRA and avoid any taxes... it appears from the comments that she would only save taxes on the initial $10,000.00... She is on a limited income and is drawing SS and from an annuity that runs out in 5 years... Her current rent is 750.00 a month. My concern about financing the house is that 1.) she will be paying interest on the 15 year note. 2.) in 5 years when she needs money she will not be able to borrow against the house because of her limited income.


Is there any advice that anyone can offer based on these circumstances?

We have discussed some of this with &quot;Financial Planners&quot;  and they all recommend continuing to rent and let them try and grow the 100K in 5 years to $145K - 175K a major risk in my opinion and not one that addresses her rent situation which will be closer to 900.00 over the next 5 years.

Mathematically speaking I see most of the gains in the stock market (if it gains at all) being washed out by interest or increases she will incur in other areas of her life... like rent, cost of living increases, etc. Point being: owning a home seems to me to be the best investment under the circumstances... but how to minimize her tax burden is what I think we need help with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have questions and comments about what&#8217;s best to do in my situation.</p>
<p>I have a 70 year-old mother who has $100K in an IRA account&#8230; She has rented for 26 years despite numerous attempts to get her to purchase a home&#8230; she retired in July of 2007 and now wants to buy a house with her tiny next egg.  We have found her a place for 75K&#8230;. QUESTION: Can she and/or should she buy the house cash with the IRA and avoid any taxes&#8230; it appears from the comments that she would only save taxes on the initial $10,000.00&#8230; She is on a limited income and is drawing SS and from an annuity that runs out in 5 years&#8230; Her current rent is 750.00 a month. My concern about financing the house is that 1.) she will be paying interest on the 15 year note. 2.) in 5 years when she needs money she will not be able to borrow against the house because of her limited income.</p>
<p>Is there any advice that anyone can offer based on these circumstances?</p>
<p>We have discussed some of this with &#8220;Financial Planners&#8221;  and they all recommend continuing to rent and let them try and grow the 100K in 5 years to $145K &#8211; 175K a major risk in my opinion and not one that addresses her rent situation which will be closer to 900.00 over the next 5 years.</p>
<p>Mathematically speaking I see most of the gains in the stock market (if it gains at all) being washed out by interest or increases she will incur in other areas of her life&#8230; like rent, cost of living increases, etc. Point being: owning a home seems to me to be the best investment under the circumstances&#8230; but how to minimize her tax burden is what I think we need help with.</p>
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		<title>By: EMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re contemplating doing this, a Roth IRA would be the way to go.  If done using a traditional IRA then you get hit with all the taxes in one year and could very well end up in a higher bracket. 

And if the choice is between saving for a down payment in a Roth Vs saving for the down payment in a taxable account, the choice of a Roth is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re contemplating doing this, a Roth IRA would be the way to go.  If done using a traditional IRA then you get hit with all the taxes in one year and could very well end up in a higher bracket. </p>
<p>And if the choice is between saving for a down payment in a Roth Vs saving for the down payment in a taxable account, the choice of a Roth is a no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nickel, I see how your strategy worked and think it was probably the best move you could have made.  I just worry about folks putting every dime of liquidity into equity; loss of income then puts those folks in dire straits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nickel, I see how your strategy worked and think it was probably the best move you could have made.  I just worry about folks putting every dime of liquidity into equity; loss of income then puts those folks in dire straits.</p>
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		<title>By: nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that unnecessarily raiding your IRA is a bad idea. In our case, however, the alternative would&#039;ve been to not fully fund the IRAs in the first place while we were saving for a down payment - or to not buy a house. Our hope was that we could stuff the IRAs full of money and then get away with not raiding them if we could scrape together more money than we initially projected. We couldn&#039;t, so we ended up taking a portion of the money back out, but we were no worse off than had we saved for the down payment straightaway.

In the end, we came out way ahead on the house, so it worked out for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that unnecessarily raiding your IRA is a bad idea. In our case, however, the alternative would&#8217;ve been to not fully fund the IRAs in the first place while we were saving for a down payment &#8211; or to not buy a house. Our hope was that we could stuff the IRAs full of money and then get away with not raiding them if we could scrape together more money than we initially projected. We couldn&#8217;t, so we ended up taking a portion of the money back out, but we were no worse off than had we saved for the down payment straightaway.</p>
<p>In the end, we came out way ahead on the house, so it worked out for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with just about everyone else. Even though you will (hopefully) get some appreciation out of your house, it is highly likely is won&#039;t be more than the gains you would get from keeping your IRA funds together. The exception to this is if you keep your IRA as a small interest account and who does that?

One way this _could_ work would be if you are getting a great price on the house and thus could take equity back out to put back into your IRA. However you would then be paying the mortgage interest on that. The interesting thing here is that interest could be tax deductible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with just about everyone else. Even though you will (hopefully) get some appreciation out of your house, it is highly likely is won&#8217;t be more than the gains you would get from keeping your IRA funds together. The exception to this is if you keep your IRA as a small interest account and who does that?</p>
<p>One way this _could_ work would be if you are getting a great price on the house and thus could take equity back out to put back into your IRA. However you would then be paying the mortgage interest on that. The interesting thing here is that interest could be tax deductible.</p>
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		<title>By: retirehappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>retirehappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a bad idea, once it goes it you should keep it in until retirement because once it comes out your balance isn&#039;t growing as fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a bad idea, once it goes it you should keep it in until retirement because once it comes out your balance isn&#8217;t growing as fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Padabney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Padabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because you can do it doesn&#039;t mean you should..  You have to compare the after tax cost of borrowing funds vs. the Tax Free growth of invested funds.  For example, If you have to borrow at 7% and are in a 30% state and federal effective rate, your tax free equivalent return needs to only be 4.9%...  So keeping the Roth funds makes the most sence if you invest well enough to earn more than CD rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you can do it doesn&#8217;t mean you should..  You have to compare the after tax cost of borrowing funds vs. the Tax Free growth of invested funds.  For example, If you have to borrow at 7% and are in a 30% state and federal effective rate, your tax free equivalent return needs to only be 4.9%&#8230;  So keeping the Roth funds makes the most sence if you invest well enough to earn more than CD rates.</p>
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		<title>By: akb</title>
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		<dc:creator>akb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but with a Roth IRA you can withdraw your contributions at anytime, its the ability to take out the $10,000 in earnings without penalty or tax which is the benefit.

Personally, I think if you can meet your retirement saving goals with your 401k plan, it makes a lot of sense for prospective home buyers to take advantage of the ability to grow their down payment tax free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but with a Roth IRA you can withdraw your contributions at anytime, its the ability to take out the $10,000 in earnings without penalty or tax which is the benefit.</p>
<p>Personally, I think if you can meet your retirement saving goals with your 401k plan, it makes a lot of sense for prospective home buyers to take advantage of the ability to grow their down payment tax free.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, if knowing you can pull the money out to help with the down payment if you need to gets you to invest more than you otherwise would have, then that&#039;s a very good thing.  If it turns out you&#039;ve put too much in, it&#039;s okay because you can get it back out.  And having to pull it out will make you sad enough that you&#039;ll try really hard not to.

I think nickel&#039;s strategy was brilliant.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there were still more in that IRA than there would have been if nickel had been conservative and kept more money out to use for a down payment.

Maybe waiting longer to buy a house would have been a good strategy, too, but it&#039;s harder to tell about those things, especially if your monthly rental housing expenses are similar to your monthly buying housing expenses.  Now every year is one step closer to the end of the mortgage.

Disclosure: I bought my house pretty much the second I possibly could.  This turned out not to be a mistake for me because my income has not risen as fast as housing prices have.  (My income has doubled, housing prices have tripled.)  Normal people who don&#039;t have trouble keeping up with first-year-teacher salaries should probably consider waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, if knowing you can pull the money out to help with the down payment if you need to gets you to invest more than you otherwise would have, then that&#8217;s a very good thing.  If it turns out you&#8217;ve put too much in, it&#8217;s okay because you can get it back out.  And having to pull it out will make you sad enough that you&#8217;ll try really hard not to.</p>
<p>I think nickel&#8217;s strategy was brilliant.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there were still more in that IRA than there would have been if nickel had been conservative and kept more money out to use for a down payment.</p>
<p>Maybe waiting longer to buy a house would have been a good strategy, too, but it&#8217;s harder to tell about those things, especially if your monthly rental housing expenses are similar to your monthly buying housing expenses.  Now every year is one step closer to the end of the mortgage.</p>
<p>Disclosure: I bought my house pretty much the second I possibly could.  This turned out not to be a mistake for me because my income has not risen as fast as housing prices have.  (My income has doubled, housing prices have tripled.)  Normal people who don&#8217;t have trouble keeping up with first-year-teacher salaries should probably consider waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the time value of money, early contributions to an IRA are worth more than contributions made later.  Accordingly, I tend to agree with Mike and Aaron. 

In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes a first-time homebuyer can make is to deplete his/her savings to afford a larger down payment.  5% is often all that&#039;s required to capture excellent rates on your first mortgage.  By holding back some funds, you safeguard yourself to some extent against losing the home if you suffer a major financial setback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the time value of money, early contributions to an IRA are worth more than contributions made later.  Accordingly, I tend to agree with Mike and Aaron. </p>
<p>In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes a first-time homebuyer can make is to deplete his/her savings to afford a larger down payment.  5% is often all that&#8217;s required to capture excellent rates on your first mortgage.  By holding back some funds, you safeguard yourself to some extent against losing the home if you suffer a major financial setback.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Mike on this one. Taking that money out of the Roth IRA has to be the very last resort because compounding makes the gains in a Roth IRA extremely impressive over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Mike on this one. Taking that money out of the Roth IRA has to be the very last resort because compounding makes the gains in a Roth IRA extremely impressive over time.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is generally believed that it is a bad idea because taking money out of your retirement funds will greatly slow down the growth of your retirement nest egg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is generally believed that it is a bad idea because taking money out of your retirement funds will greatly slow down the growth of your retirement nest egg.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m firmly against pulling money out of a Roth IRA for a down payment. Everything in that account is tax free forever*. That&#039;s very powerful, especially with 30-40 years of compound interest working in your favor. 

[*] - Or until the law changes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m firmly against pulling money out of a Roth IRA for a down payment. Everything in that account is tax free forever*. That&#8217;s very powerful, especially with 30-40 years of compound interest working in your favor. </p>
<p>[*] &#8211; Or until the law changes</p>
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		<title>By: razmaspaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>razmaspaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My situation is almost an exact mirror of yours.  I&#039;m sure I&#039;m approaching those pesky income limits as well.  I have a feeling in fact that I am about to learn the hard way about all those retirement account limits.  I am happy I used the IRA for the down payment.  If I had to sell my house for some reason right now, I think I would be upside down on the house.   The only thing that will keep me from owing the bank money in that case is the larger down payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My situation is almost an exact mirror of yours.  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m approaching those pesky income limits as well.  I have a feeling in fact that I am about to learn the hard way about all those retirement account limits.  I am happy I used the IRA for the down payment.  If I had to sell my house for some reason right now, I think I would be upside down on the house.   The only thing that will keep me from owing the bank money in that case is the larger down payment.</p>
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