Comments on: Cost of Living Increasing Faster Than Inflation Estimates? http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/ personal finance tips, tricks, and commentary Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:49:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Dividend growth investor http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115584 Dividend growth investor Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:35 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115584 Now is the worst time to put your funds in fixed income. Take some additional risk and buy stocks. Chances are you would do fine over the long-run.. Now is the worst time to put your funds in fixed income. Take some additional risk and buy stocks. Chances are you would do fine over the long-run..

]]> By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115546 Ron@TheWisdomJournal Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:54:01 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115546 @Kyle I know how things are supposed to work in theory, I just don't have that much faith in the people compiling the numbers. I don't personally know of anything I buy that has only gone up 3% in the past year. My personal numbers are much, much higher. So I'm supposed to believe that inflation was only 3-4%? I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. I'm not an uneducated flunkie who sees black helicopters and conspiracies everywhere I look. I'm an MBA from a US News & World Report top tier school. I know how economic policy works. I also know the prices I am paying today, are much higher than they were last year. I stand by my original comment. @Kyle
I know how things are supposed to work in theory, I just don’t have that much faith in the people compiling the numbers.

I don’t personally know of anything I buy that has only gone up 3% in the past year. My personal numbers are much, much higher. So I’m supposed to believe that inflation was only 3-4%? I was born at night, but I wasn’t born last night.

I’m not an uneducated flunkie who sees black helicopters and conspiracies everywhere I look. I’m an MBA from a US News & World Report top tier school. I know how economic policy works. I also know the prices I am paying today, are much higher than they were last year.

I stand by my original comment.

]]> By: Kyle http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115545 Kyle Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:07:04 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115545 Ron, the CPI inflation rate is compiled by the BLS using numbers from typical families, so the numbers would be exactly the same. The government does not make up weights for the different components. They are set based on what percentage of income consumers actually spend on each category. Ron, the CPI inflation rate is compiled by the BLS using numbers from typical families, so the numbers would be exactly the same. The government does not make up weights for the different components. They are set based on what percentage of income consumers actually spend on each category.

]]> By: saladdin http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115452 saladdin Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:23:56 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115452 I wonder if inflation has inflation. Think about that one people. saladdin I wonder if inflation has inflation.

Think about that one people.

saladdin

]]> By: MasterYourCard http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115449 MasterYourCard Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:59:52 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115449 They actually changed the method of inflation calculation sometime during the Clinton administration. Check out http://www.shadowstats.com for a more reliable CPI indicator. They actually changed the method of inflation calculation sometime during the Clinton administration.

Check out http://www.shadowstats.com for a more reliable CPI indicator.

]]> By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115445 Ron@TheWisdomJournal Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:39:35 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115445 I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Minimum Wage. When we had salary reviews, the estimate was 2.5% and that is what I got. I almost laughed out loud. I've actually considered doing some research and trying to figure out what a "typical" family buys in one year for food, housing, clothing, etc and start comparing it to what our wonderful federal government says the CPI was. What do you want to bet the numbers are far, FAR different? I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Minimum Wage. When we had salary reviews, the estimate was 2.5% and that is what I got. I almost laughed out loud.

I’ve actually considered doing some research and trying to figure out what a “typical” family buys in one year for food, housing, clothing, etc and start comparing it to what our wonderful federal government says the CPI was.

What do you want to bet the numbers are far, FAR different?

]]> By: dong http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115443 dong Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:03:39 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115443 The type of inflation the fed wants to control is the inflation that results from monetary policy, i.e. things get more expensive because there's too much money being printed (either literally or via the banking system). Gas and Food as razmapaz rightly points out fluctuate wildly and are mostly determined by external non-monetary factors, i.e. increased demand, bad weather, etc. Monetary policy should not be tied to such factors. The bigger problem with the CPI is that it's absolute reflection of inflation, and not a relative factor. It doesn't adjust for the change in consumption. Not only do Americans pay more because of inflation, but we also pay for a lot more things than we did 50 years ago. The CPI accounts for the former but not the latter. The type of inflation the fed wants to control is the inflation that results from monetary policy, i.e. things get more expensive because there’s too much money being printed (either literally or via the banking system). Gas and Food as razmapaz rightly points out fluctuate wildly and are mostly determined by external non-monetary factors, i.e. increased demand, bad weather, etc. Monetary policy should not be tied to such factors. The bigger problem with the CPI is that it’s absolute reflection of inflation, and not a relative factor. It doesn’t adjust for the change in consumption. Not only do Americans pay more because of inflation, but we also pay for a lot more things than we did 50 years ago. The CPI accounts for the former but not the latter.

]]> By: Fiscal Musings http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115442 Fiscal Musings Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:01:46 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115442 I've never understood why they exclude these things from the index. I’ve never understood why they exclude these things from the index.

]]> By: MattJ http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115441 MattJ Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:54:11 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115441 razmaspaz: The reason that the 'core' inflation rate excludes food and energy is because the core inflation rate is used to set monetary policy. When doing that, the Fed wants to ignore price swings in seasonal goods like food and energy. I'm not sure what they do about monetary policy in response to permanent increases in food or fuel prices, but I would imagine they've given it some thought. The CPI includes these changes and is used to calculate things like Social Security cost of living adjustments, etc. razmaspaz:

The reason that the ‘core’ inflation rate excludes food and energy is because the core inflation rate is used to set monetary policy. When doing that, the Fed wants to ignore price swings in seasonal goods like food and energy. I’m not sure what they do about monetary policy in response to permanent increases in food or fuel prices, but I would imagine they’ve given it some thought.

The CPI includes these changes and is used to calculate things like Social Security cost of living adjustments, etc.

]]> By: MattJ http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115438 MattJ Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:25:39 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115438 I don't understand this post. Yes, gas and groceries are excluded from the core CPI, but not from the CPI. So, as you say: "Based on official numbers, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose 4.1% from December 2006-December 2007." In what sense are the official numbers wrong, given that the CPI includes food and energy? I don’t understand this post.

Yes, gas and groceries are excluded from the core CPI, but not from the CPI. So, as you say:

“Based on official numbers, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose 4.1% from December 2006-December 2007.”

In what sense are the official numbers wrong, given that the CPI includes food and energy?

]]> By: razmaspaz http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115435 razmaspaz Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:16:14 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115435 I've never understood the why on this. As you go down the income scale towards poverty a more significant portion of income is spent on food and petroleum based products. Why is it that these things are not included in the core inflation rate? Its probably safe to say that the poorest of Americans spend their money on 4 things, shelter, gas, food, and satellite TV. If you want to measure inflation maybe it should be those 4 things. I’ve never understood the why on this. As you go down the income scale towards poverty a more significant portion of income is spent on food and petroleum based products. Why is it that these things are not included in the core inflation rate? Its probably safe to say that the poorest of Americans spend their money on 4 things, shelter, gas, food, and satellite TV. If you want to measure inflation maybe it should be those 4 things.

]]> By: squawkfox http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115434 squawkfox Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:51:02 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115434 I wish my salary increased with the "cost of living." :D I wish my salary increased with the “cost of living.” :D

]]> By: Zachary Spencer http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115431 Zachary Spencer Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:12:23 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115431 Are you saying the government isn't being completely honest? That's absurd! ;). Are you saying the government isn’t being completely honest? That’s absurd! ;) .

]]> By: Minimum Wage http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-115430 Minimum Wage Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:10:51 +0000 http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/02/18/cost-of-living-increasing-faster-than-inflation-estimates/#comment-115430 Americans are being defrauded. Americans are being defrauded.

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