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	<title>Comments on: Can You Trust Bankrate&#8217;s Bank Safety Ratings?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2008/08/07/can-you-trust-bankrates-bank-safety-ratings/comment-page-1/#comment-121314</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Paul. We simply do not know, and bankrate cannot know, the extent of a bank&#039;s leverage and derivatives in the &quot;undocumented&quot; investment vehicles.  that&#039;s the reason we are in the credit mess, because there was and is no &quot;real&quot; value on some of these investment vehicles that were used as leveraged investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Paul. We simply do not know, and bankrate cannot know, the extent of a bank&#8217;s leverage and derivatives in the &#8220;undocumented&#8221; investment vehicles.  that&#8217;s the reason we are in the credit mess, because there was and is no &#8220;real&#8221; value on some of these investment vehicles that were used as leveraged investments.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wondered about those ratings.  This was an interesting article.  

Paul, if a depositor has more than $100,000 there are many ways to be insured at one bank. Most people have at least a couple of family members they can list as beneficiaries. $100,000 is just for a single account owner.  Go to the FDIC website for information on revocable trust accounts.  All you need to do is ask the bank rep to put Payable on Death on a CD or other 
account. Each trust account is insured up to an additional $100,000 per qualified beneficiary.  (i.e., spouse, child, sister, brother)   

You can also go to a CDARS partner.  www.cdars.com  There are about 2,000 banks that belong to CDARS and unless you have more than $50 million, you just get one statement, one interest rate and each account is FDIC insured up to $100,000.   

I don&#039;t understand why other states don&#039;t carry SIF or DIF like the banks in MA.  They are insurance funds that cover all amounts above the FDIC limit.  See www.coopcentralbank.com and www.difxs.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered about those ratings.  This was an interesting article.  </p>
<p>Paul, if a depositor has more than $100,000 there are many ways to be insured at one bank. Most people have at least a couple of family members they can list as beneficiaries. $100,000 is just for a single account owner.  Go to the FDIC website for information on revocable trust accounts.  All you need to do is ask the bank rep to put Payable on Death on a CD or other<br />
account. Each trust account is insured up to an additional $100,000 per qualified beneficiary.  (i.e., spouse, child, sister, brother)   </p>
<p>You can also go to a CDARS partner.  <a href="http://www.cdars.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cdars.com</a>  There are about 2,000 banks that belong to CDARS and unless you have more than $50 million, you just get one statement, one interest rate and each account is FDIC insured up to $100,000.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why other states don&#8217;t carry SIF or DIF like the banks in MA.  They are insurance funds that cover all amounts above the FDIC limit.  See <a href="http://www.coopcentralbank.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.coopcentralbank.com</a> and <a href="http://www.difxs.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.difxs.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the account has less than $100k.  Who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the account has less than $100k.  Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: PDamian</title>
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		<dc:creator>PDamian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not positive, but I believe the following may explain why ING Direct has a relatively low Bankrate score:

&quot;COUNTRYWIDE had 94,000 foreclosures last year. By comparison, ING has had just 15 out of 100,000 in its eight-year history as a mortgage lender. So what&#039;s the online bank&#039;s secret? Unlike other lenders, who have sliced, diced, and sold off their loans to Wall Street, ING has kept all $26 billion of its loans on its books ... [Says Arkadi Kuhlmann, CEO of ING Direct, many banks resell] their mortgages, and with no skin in the game, underwriting standards suffer.&quot; (Jon Birger, Fortune, 3/17/2008, &quot;ING dodges subprime: only 15 foreclosures for the bank since 2000.&quot;)

If a bank &quot;improves&quot; its bottom line on paper by lumping its loans, good and bad, into one jumbo security and then selling that security to some Wall Street firm, then it&#039;ll probably look better -- and its numbers will crunch better -- to outside entities like Bankrate, whose formulas many not take into account the funny numbers. I&#039;d have to know more about how Bankrate crunches its numbers to be sure, but I suspect this is the case. 

Frankly, I&#039;m quite happy to keep my hard-earned money in a bank in which the CEO is actually keeping an eye on underwriting standards, regardless of its Bankrate star ratings.  Bankrate&#039;s ratings can be useful, but take them with a grain of salt -- and never, never exceed FDIC insurance limits on any bank accounts anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not positive, but I believe the following may explain why ING Direct has a relatively low Bankrate score:</p>
<p>&#8220;COUNTRYWIDE had 94,000 foreclosures last year. By comparison, ING has had just 15 out of 100,000 in its eight-year history as a mortgage lender. So what&#8217;s the online bank&#8217;s secret? Unlike other lenders, who have sliced, diced, and sold off their loans to Wall Street, ING has kept all $26 billion of its loans on its books &#8230; [Says Arkadi Kuhlmann, CEO of ING Direct, many banks resell] their mortgages, and with no skin in the game, underwriting standards suffer.&#8221; (Jon Birger, Fortune, 3/17/2008, &#8220;ING dodges subprime: only 15 foreclosures for the bank since 2000.&#8221;)</p>
<p>If a bank &#8220;improves&#8221; its bottom line on paper by lumping its loans, good and bad, into one jumbo security and then selling that security to some Wall Street firm, then it&#8217;ll probably look better &#8212; and its numbers will crunch better &#8212; to outside entities like Bankrate, whose formulas many not take into account the funny numbers. I&#8217;d have to know more about how Bankrate crunches its numbers to be sure, but I suspect this is the case. </p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m quite happy to keep my hard-earned money in a bank in which the CEO is actually keeping an eye on underwriting standards, regardless of its Bankrate star ratings.  Bankrate&#8217;s ratings can be useful, but take them with a grain of salt &#8212; and never, never exceed FDIC insurance limits on any bank accounts anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one problem may be bank &quot;investments&quot; include derivatives and leverage.   I suspect its difficult to gage the volatility of these, even by professionals, and alot of banks are hoping and praying for no black swan events.

also, I don&#039;t know if the $100k FDIC is getting adjusted for inflation.  $100k is way less purchasing power than even 10 years ago, especially in the context of the housing bubble.   It could get tedious for people to have 1/2 dozen bank accounts, along with a myriad of brokers, and other money oriented accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one problem may be bank &#8220;investments&#8221; include derivatives and leverage.   I suspect its difficult to gage the volatility of these, even by professionals, and alot of banks are hoping and praying for no black swan events.</p>
<p>also, I don&#8217;t know if the $100k FDIC is getting adjusted for inflation.  $100k is way less purchasing power than even 10 years ago, especially in the context of the housing bubble.   It could get tedious for people to have 1/2 dozen bank accounts, along with a myriad of brokers, and other money oriented accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric J. Nisall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric J. Nisall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is some very interesting news.  Not sure how Emigrant Direct, HSBC Direct, and ING Direct are all rated so low but like you said, Bankrate isn&#039;t the end-all when it comes to the health of institutions.  I have always believed that it is important to do your own research into such matters and use sites like Bankrate as a guide.  Of course, the tiny regionals are going to be more suspect than the century-old institutions but anything can happen in this day and age.  I&#039;m sure all of this won&#039;t help change the misconceptions regarding online banking.  I attempted to that on myself, but only time will tell what happens from here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is some very interesting news.  Not sure how Emigrant Direct, HSBC Direct, and ING Direct are all rated so low but like you said, Bankrate isn&#8217;t the end-all when it comes to the health of institutions.  I have always believed that it is important to do your own research into such matters and use sites like Bankrate as a guide.  Of course, the tiny regionals are going to be more suspect than the century-old institutions but anything can happen in this day and age.  I&#8217;m sure all of this won&#8217;t help change the misconceptions regarding online banking.  I attempted to that on myself, but only time will tell what happens from here.</p>
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