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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/05/20/our-lending-club-investments-one-week-later/comment-page-1/#comment-131810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lems,
I apologize if my post came off as complaining about Propser and bashing all Person-to-Person lending sites, as that was not my goal.  Also, I&#039;m not a frequent reader of Five Cent Nickel (A couple times per month), and it wasn&#039;t until after I posted my comment that I looked through some other articles in the past month about Lending Club, only to see that other people had already written similiar &#039;negative&#039; comments about Prosper.

My total loss from investing in Prosper will be a maximum of $248. I&#039;m pretty sure I can live without that $248 :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lems,<br />
I apologize if my post came off as complaining about Propser and bashing all Person-to-Person lending sites, as that was not my goal.  Also, I&#8217;m not a frequent reader of Five Cent Nickel (A couple times per month), and it wasn&#8217;t until after I posted my comment that I looked through some other articles in the past month about Lending Club, only to see that other people had already written similiar &#8216;negative&#8217; comments about Prosper.</p>
<p>My total loss from investing in Prosper will be a maximum of $248. I&#8217;m pretty sure I can live without that $248 <img src='http://www.fivecentnickel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lems</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/05/20/our-lending-club-investments-one-week-later/comment-page-1/#comment-131737</link>
		<dc:creator>Lems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am I the only one getting sick of the prosper lenders who got burned and can only poop all over other p2p lending opportunities just because they fell in Prosper&#039;s trap? 

I feel sorry for Jason, but gosh! stop comparing apples to oranges.  

I did invest in Prosper.  I&#039;m making 2-3% after my share of defaults.  i realize I&#039;m not in the group who lost tons of money, but I still could go down to 0 or less.  I tried Lending Club, and never went back to Prosper.  Here is why:

1) Lending Club is very strict with borrowers, Prosper never was.  Almost anybody could list a loan there.   I think Lending Club only lets in less than 10% of the best credit borrowers.

2) Lending Club does extensive credit review and analysis.  Prosper never did.  They just presented whatever came from the borrower&#039;s credit report.    Looking at Lending Club&#039;s method of assigning grades requires a doctorate degree on credit review.  Prosper just assigned grade based on FICO score alone.

3) Lending Club&#039;s collections team are ninjas compared to Prosper&#039;s clumsy collections efforts.   Just look at how much information Lending Club offers regarding the collections process for each loan.   As far as i could tell, my prosper late loans kept going late with no update from the collections agency.  My default rate at Lending Club is small enough that I am still making 8%+.  prosper&#039;s default rate is a joke. 

4) Lending Club is very responsive and responsible to the lender community.  Prosper could have not done anything more to upset lenders a bit more.  Just read through prospers.org, or check out the class action suit if you are not familiar with the issues.

So, Nickel, i think you&#039;ll do well at Lending Club.  The trick is reinvesting your payments as soon as possible.   Starting with $1K makes sense, but my personal opinion is that this investment does not make sense unless you are putting in $4K or more, to allow you to diversify in a meaningful way (150+ loans). Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am I the only one getting sick of the prosper lenders who got burned and can only poop all over other p2p lending opportunities just because they fell in Prosper&#8217;s trap? </p>
<p>I feel sorry for Jason, but gosh! stop comparing apples to oranges.  </p>
<p>I did invest in Prosper.  I&#8217;m making 2-3% after my share of defaults.  i realize I&#8217;m not in the group who lost tons of money, but I still could go down to 0 or less.  I tried Lending Club, and never went back to Prosper.  Here is why:</p>
<p>1) Lending Club is very strict with borrowers, Prosper never was.  Almost anybody could list a loan there.   I think Lending Club only lets in less than 10% of the best credit borrowers.</p>
<p>2) Lending Club does extensive credit review and analysis.  Prosper never did.  They just presented whatever came from the borrower&#8217;s credit report.    Looking at Lending Club&#8217;s method of assigning grades requires a doctorate degree on credit review.  Prosper just assigned grade based on FICO score alone.</p>
<p>3) Lending Club&#8217;s collections team are ninjas compared to Prosper&#8217;s clumsy collections efforts.   Just look at how much information Lending Club offers regarding the collections process for each loan.   As far as i could tell, my prosper late loans kept going late with no update from the collections agency.  My default rate at Lending Club is small enough that I am still making 8%+.  prosper&#8217;s default rate is a joke. </p>
<p>4) Lending Club is very responsive and responsible to the lender community.  Prosper could have not done anything more to upset lenders a bit more.  Just read through prospers.org, or check out the class action suit if you are not familiar with the issues.</p>
<p>So, Nickel, i think you&#8217;ll do well at Lending Club.  The trick is reinvesting your payments as soon as possible.   Starting with $1K makes sense, but my personal opinion is that this investment does not make sense unless you are putting in $4K or more, to allow you to diversify in a meaningful way (150+ loans). Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickel</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/05/20/our-lending-club-investments-one-week-later/comment-page-1/#comment-131727</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan: I agree that you can develop a gut feeling about people from their loans apps, and it&#039;s sometimes enough to turn you off. That being said, I simply don&#039;t have the time to manually vet all of the loans that fit my criteria. I&#039;m also not convinced that my gut can do a better job of predicting credit risks than broad numerical categorizations (credit score, DTI, and so on).

I do agree about the crowd-sourcing aspect, though... If you compare the loans that fill up fast to those that languish and eventually expire, there&#039;s a definite difference in apparent quality. And yes, I agree that default rates will likely climb as the average age of loans increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan: I agree that you can develop a gut feeling about people from their loans apps, and it&#8217;s sometimes enough to turn you off. That being said, I simply don&#8217;t have the time to manually vet all of the loans that fit my criteria. I&#8217;m also not convinced that my gut can do a better job of predicting credit risks than broad numerical categorizations (credit score, DTI, and so on).</p>
<p>I do agree about the crowd-sourcing aspect, though&#8230; If you compare the loans that fill up fast to those that languish and eventually expire, there&#8217;s a definite difference in apparent quality. And yes, I agree that default rates will likely climb as the average age of loans increases.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined LendingClub about the same time Nickel did. I am taking the same approach, splitting money up between different risk levels. I&#039;m hand-picking the loans based on all of the request information, and certainly finding a lot that I *don&#039;t* want to be part of even though they fall within my numeric lending parameters. You can&#039;t verify many good things about a person in the few sentences they write to request the loan, but you sure can identify a lot of bad things.

I have had to re-position about 40% of my initial lending attempts due to the loan not being fully funded by the community. Another level of protection, I feel. A bit of crowdsourcing on the credit-worthiness of the borrower. I do believe that my experience at LendingClub will be much better than the past experiences of others at Prosper, but I also realize that LC&#039;s current results are skewed by the volume of new loans - loans don&#039;t tend to default right away, so when new loans make up a high percentage of all outstanding loans, the return rate will be artificially high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined LendingClub about the same time Nickel did. I am taking the same approach, splitting money up between different risk levels. I&#8217;m hand-picking the loans based on all of the request information, and certainly finding a lot that I *don&#8217;t* want to be part of even though they fall within my numeric lending parameters. You can&#8217;t verify many good things about a person in the few sentences they write to request the loan, but you sure can identify a lot of bad things.</p>
<p>I have had to re-position about 40% of my initial lending attempts due to the loan not being fully funded by the community. Another level of protection, I feel. A bit of crowdsourcing on the credit-worthiness of the borrower. I do believe that my experience at LendingClub will be much better than the past experiences of others at Prosper, but I also realize that LC&#8217;s current results are skewed by the volume of new loans &#8211; loans don&#8217;t tend to default right away, so when new loans make up a high percentage of all outstanding loans, the return rate will be artificially high.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have no experience with Lending Club, I&#039;ve used a similiar person-to-person lending site (www.prosper.com) with bad luck.  I&#039;ve lended money to 8 different borrowers: 
1 with a credit rating of A, 3 with a credit rating of B, and 4 with a credit rating of C.  The average interest rate was 13.6% and I lended an average of $56 to each person.  

So far, my borrower with the A credit rating has filed for bankruptcy after paying off only 6% of the loan. 

1 of my B Credit Ratings has filed for bankruptcy after paying off 10% of the loan, the second B credit rating is in Collections after paying off 68% of the loan, and the final B credit rating is in good standing and has paid off 86% of the loan.

2 of my C Credit Ratings borrowers are currently in Collections. 1 of them paid off 3% of their loan the other paid off 62%. The other 2 C Credit Rating borrowers are Current. One has paid off 55% of their loan and the other has paid off 86%.

All in total, I lended $448.75. I&#039;ve collected $200.80 so far.  In the best case scenario, if my 3 borrowers who are current on their loans pay them off in full, I will get an additional $70.53 for a total of $271.....not a very good return for my money.

I guess one thing that is important to remember as a lender on these sites, is that most borrowers using them do so because they can&#039;t get a loan elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have no experience with Lending Club, I&#8217;ve used a similiar person-to-person lending site (www.prosper.com) with bad luck.  I&#8217;ve lended money to 8 different borrowers:<br />
1 with a credit rating of A, 3 with a credit rating of B, and 4 with a credit rating of C.  The average interest rate was 13.6% and I lended an average of $56 to each person.  </p>
<p>So far, my borrower with the A credit rating has filed for bankruptcy after paying off only 6% of the loan. </p>
<p>1 of my B Credit Ratings has filed for bankruptcy after paying off 10% of the loan, the second B credit rating is in Collections after paying off 68% of the loan, and the final B credit rating is in good standing and has paid off 86% of the loan.</p>
<p>2 of my C Credit Ratings borrowers are currently in Collections. 1 of them paid off 3% of their loan the other paid off 62%. The other 2 C Credit Rating borrowers are Current. One has paid off 55% of their loan and the other has paid off 86%.</p>
<p>All in total, I lended $448.75. I&#8217;ve collected $200.80 so far.  In the best case scenario, if my 3 borrowers who are current on their loans pay them off in full, I will get an additional $70.53 for a total of $271&#8230;..not a very good return for my money.</p>
<p>I guess one thing that is important to remember as a lender on these sites, is that most borrowers using them do so because they can&#8217;t get a loan elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update. Interested in hearing more later on. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update. Interested in hearing more later on. <img src='http://www.fivecentnickel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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