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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments everyone!  I remember thinking about this at an earlier point in my life, but never to the degree that YMOYL takes it. I do recommend the book for people looking for more detail on this principle and other eye-opening ways to change your perspective on your finances...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments everyone!  I remember thinking about this at an earlier point in my life, but never to the degree that YMOYL takes it. I do recommend the book for people looking for more detail on this principle and other eye-opening ways to change your perspective on your finances&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as a working mom who was a stay at home mom, people talk about this as if it&#039;s an either-or decision, but for most families it&#039;s not. My own mom worked for six years, was a SAHM for 12, and then worked another 20 years in her field before retiring.  I worked in one field for 6 years, was a SAHM for 2, and have been back at work 2 years in a completely different field.

You have to think about your lifetime financial security, not just your month-by-month snapshot. Then the financial impact depends on how long you&#039;re planning to be at home, and on your field - an accredited teacher can probably jump right back in after a decade; an IT professional is going to be hopelessly behind in just a few years. It depends on your work history, age, education, what you already have in retirement savings.

And of course you have to look at the stability of your one job, not just salary - my first career was in sales, which was wildly variable over time. My partner, on the other hand, is an engineer who has had the same job since he was an undergrad. The future value of his salary goes up just because it is so dependable - most of my former coworkers have been laid off and their new jobs don&#039;t pay as much because advertising sales are way down overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a working mom who was a stay at home mom, people talk about this as if it&#8217;s an either-or decision, but for most families it&#8217;s not. My own mom worked for six years, was a SAHM for 12, and then worked another 20 years in her field before retiring.  I worked in one field for 6 years, was a SAHM for 2, and have been back at work 2 years in a completely different field.</p>
<p>You have to think about your lifetime financial security, not just your month-by-month snapshot. Then the financial impact depends on how long you&#8217;re planning to be at home, and on your field &#8211; an accredited teacher can probably jump right back in after a decade; an IT professional is going to be hopelessly behind in just a few years. It depends on your work history, age, education, what you already have in retirement savings.</p>
<p>And of course you have to look at the stability of your one job, not just salary &#8211; my first career was in sales, which was wildly variable over time. My partner, on the other hand, is an engineer who has had the same job since he was an undergrad. The future value of his salary goes up just because it is so dependable &#8211; most of my former coworkers have been laid off and their new jobs don&#8217;t pay as much because advertising sales are way down overall.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...good topic &amp; discussion.

It&#039;s especially useful for families to fully calculate whether or not the popular &quot;2-Income&quot; approach {mom &amp; dad both working}...   really improves the family situation overall.  Lots of families seem to automatically &amp; falsely conclude that having Mom work-- &#039;always&#039; significantly increases family net income and well being.

Computing &quot;Real Hourly Wage&quot; requires careful review of nominal gross wages versus take-home pay.

FICA taxes are VERY deceiving. Under the &#039;Federal Insurance Contributions Act&#039; (FICA), 12.4 percent of your earned income {up to $106,800 annually} must be paid into Social Security, and another 2.9 percent must be paid into Medicare {no wage limit}.  These are highly regressive taxes that kick in on the very first dollar anybody earns.

A worker &quot;seems&quot; to pay &#039;only half&#039; the FICA bill (6.2% Social Security + 1.45% Medicare)... with the employer &quot;contributing&quot; the other half.  But in reality the worker pays the full FICA percentage of 15.3% (= 12.4% + 2.9%) automatically withheld from his gross wages.

So if Mom goes to work to help make ends meet -- she instantly pays 15.3% FICA tax on every dollar earned. 

Then she pays Federal Income Tax, probably State Income Tax, and Local Income Tax in some areas.  If she wants to actually spend anything left... she&#039;s hit with at least a 6% sales tax, and much higher taxes on water/telephone/electricity.  Should she heroically save any remaining wages in a bank account -- the government taxes that interest as ordinary income.

Factor in a family second-car for a working spouse... and the cost/benefit analysis looks grim for average families, unless Mom earns very good wages.

___</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;good topic &amp; discussion.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s especially useful for families to fully calculate whether or not the popular &#8220;2-Income&#8221; approach {mom &amp; dad both working}&#8230;   really improves the family situation overall.  Lots of families seem to automatically &amp; falsely conclude that having Mom work&#8211; &#8216;always&#8217; significantly increases family net income and well being.</p>
<p>Computing &#8220;Real Hourly Wage&#8221; requires careful review of nominal gross wages versus take-home pay.</p>
<p>FICA taxes are VERY deceiving. Under the &#8216;Federal Insurance Contributions Act&#8217; (FICA), 12.4 percent of your earned income {up to $106,800 annually} must be paid into Social Security, and another 2.9 percent must be paid into Medicare {no wage limit}.  These are highly regressive taxes that kick in on the very first dollar anybody earns.</p>
<p>A worker &#8220;seems&#8221; to pay &#8216;only half&#8217; the FICA bill (6.2% Social Security + 1.45% Medicare)&#8230; with the employer &#8220;contributing&#8221; the other half.  But in reality the worker pays the full FICA percentage of 15.3% (= 12.4% + 2.9%) automatically withheld from his gross wages.</p>
<p>So if Mom goes to work to help make ends meet &#8212; she instantly pays 15.3% FICA tax on every dollar earned. </p>
<p>Then she pays Federal Income Tax, probably State Income Tax, and Local Income Tax in some areas.  If she wants to actually spend anything left&#8230; she&#8217;s hit with at least a 6% sales tax, and much higher taxes on water/telephone/electricity.  Should she heroically save any remaining wages in a bank account &#8212; the government taxes that interest as ordinary income.</p>
<p>Factor in a family second-car for a working spouse&#8230; and the cost/benefit analysis looks grim for average families, unless Mom earns very good wages.</p>
<p>___</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob--this is brilliant on so many fronts.  It can also help determine opportunity cost.  If you think you make $20/hr you might not be interested in a part time job paying 10.  But if you calculate in all of the reductions to your regular pay, and come up with a number closer to $13/hr, $10/hr no longer seems beneath your dignity!

Same thing with work around the house.  You might be tempted to pay a neighborhood kid $10/hr to cut your lawn until you find out that your real rate of $13/hr means you really should be doing it yourself!

Just something to think about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8211;this is brilliant on so many fronts.  It can also help determine opportunity cost.  If you think you make $20/hr you might not be interested in a part time job paying 10.  But if you calculate in all of the reductions to your regular pay, and come up with a number closer to $13/hr, $10/hr no longer seems beneath your dignity!</p>
<p>Same thing with work around the house.  You might be tempted to pay a neighborhood kid $10/hr to cut your lawn until you find out that your real rate of $13/hr means you really should be doing it yourself!</p>
<p>Just something to think about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MVS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly recommend &quot;Your Money or Your Life.&quot;  The exercise discussed by Bob is invaluable, as are a few other exercises required by the book.  Worth the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly recommend &#8220;Your Money or Your Life.&#8221;  The exercise discussed by Bob is invaluable, as are a few other exercises required by the book.  Worth the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosa: Excellent point. As important as it is to include all those extra costs, you also need to include the value of an extra perks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosa: Excellent point. As important as it is to include all those extra costs, you also need to include the value of an extra perks.</p>
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		<title>By: RB @ RichBy30Retireby40</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB @ RichBy30Retireby40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, to blog from home as a full time job.  That would be such a great thing to do!

This question highly pertains to real estate and location.  I&#039;m willing to pay a premium to live i nthe city center, than in the burbs due to the commute, frustration, and expense.  For others, they don&#039;t mind.  Each his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, to blog from home as a full time job.  That would be such a great thing to do!</p>
<p>This question highly pertains to real estate and location.  I&#8217;m willing to pay a premium to live i nthe city center, than in the burbs due to the commute, frustration, and expense.  For others, they don&#8217;t mind.  Each his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In junior college I worked at a retail store in the mall and drove 45 mins each direction to work 4 hour shifts. The company also required each employee to purchase company stock. After all expenses my minimum wage earnings dropped to around $3 an hour. After all the clothing I purchased with my company discount, the store actually made money off of me and came out ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In junior college I worked at a retail store in the mall and drove 45 mins each direction to work 4 hour shifts. The company also required each employee to purchase company stock. After all expenses my minimum wage earnings dropped to around $3 an hour. After all the clothing I purchased with my company discount, the store actually made money off of me and came out ahead!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This concept is very dear to my heart.

It is empowering if one can truly grasp the power of this calculation... if nothing else, the exercise thereof will always be personally eye opening.

My wife and I have goals... and suffice to say that the challenging truths delivered in this post are an essential ingredient to reaching those goals!

Thanks Bob, great insight as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This concept is very dear to my heart.</p>
<p>It is empowering if one can truly grasp the power of this calculation&#8230; if nothing else, the exercise thereof will always be personally eye opening.</p>
<p>My wife and I have goals&#8230; and suffice to say that the challenging truths delivered in this post are an essential ingredient to reaching those goals!</p>
<p>Thanks Bob, great insight as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Corporate Barbarian</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/08/03/calculating-your-real-hourly-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-133832</link>
		<dc:creator>Corporate Barbarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once left a job for another that only paid about $1,000 a year more.  What I gained from taking the job included a shorter commute (about an hour a day round-trip), more freedom, shorter hours, and much less stress.  I calculated the &quot;increase&quot; in pay to be about $10,000.  Not too shabby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once left a job for another that only paid about $1,000 a year more.  What I gained from taking the job included a shorter commute (about an hour a day round-trip), more freedom, shorter hours, and much less stress.  I calculated the &#8220;increase&#8221; in pay to be about $10,000.  Not too shabby.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one place where YMOYL shows it&#039;s age, I think - I did this calculation when I looked at moving from full time to part time work again, and my health insurance costs are a HUGE extra &quot;wage&quot; that I never saw as a full-time employee (well, I saw about 1/3 of it that I paid. But it&#039;s still a big chunk of extra &quot;pay&quot; - now that I&#039;m on my partner&#039;s insurance, he has to pay income tax on the imputed benefit of insuring me, and it&#039;s quite a bit of money.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one place where YMOYL shows it&#8217;s age, I think &#8211; I did this calculation when I looked at moving from full time to part time work again, and my health insurance costs are a HUGE extra &#8220;wage&#8221; that I never saw as a full-time employee (well, I saw about 1/3 of it that I paid. But it&#8217;s still a big chunk of extra &#8220;pay&#8221; &#8211; now that I&#8217;m on my partner&#8217;s insurance, he has to pay income tax on the imputed benefit of insuring me, and it&#8217;s quite a bit of money.)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post.  It is also valuable to know your real hourly wage so you can know what time consuming activities actually save you money.  If you can spend 10 minutes doing something and save $5 you know that activity is saving an hour wage of $30.  Knowing your real hourly wage help you determine if it is worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  It is also valuable to know your real hourly wage so you can know what time consuming activities actually save you money.  If you can spend 10 minutes doing something and save $5 you know that activity is saving an hour wage of $30.  Knowing your real hourly wage help you determine if it is worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never thought of it that way!  Factoring in the lunch breaks, the time to destress, the commute-the list goes on. I wonder to what degree you could add pesky or disagreeable coworkers as a cost or a &quot;hovering&quot; boss that threatens your sanity daily...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never thought of it that way!  Factoring in the lunch breaks, the time to destress, the commute-the list goes on. I wonder to what degree you could add pesky or disagreeable coworkers as a cost or a &#8220;hovering&#8221; boss that threatens your sanity daily&#8230;</p>
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