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		<title>By: Evolution Of Wealth</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/10/14/etfs-vs-index-funds-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-135741</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolution Of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts on the different styles/weightings of ETFs?  I don&#039;t believe index funds offer the various differences but I could be wrong.  Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts on the different styles/weightings of ETFs?  I don&#8217;t believe index funds offer the various differences but I could be wrong.  Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: The Biz of Life</title>
		<link>http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/10/14/etfs-vs-index-funds-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-135727</link>
		<dc:creator>The Biz of Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more a buy and holder, but I prefer ETFs because I can buy them without a brokerage commission, and I make up for the spreads by holding them a long time.  Here&#039;s one person&#039;s view of the ETF advantage over index funds: &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/15169-etf-investing-guide-the-seven-advantages-of-etfs-over-index-mutual-funds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more a buy and holder, but I prefer ETFs because I can buy them without a brokerage commission, and I make up for the spreads by holding them a long time.  Here&#8217;s one person&#8217;s view of the ETF advantage over index funds: <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/15169-etf-investing-guide-the-seven-advantages-of-etfs-over-index-mutual-funds" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ TodayForward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ TodayForward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic rule for ETF vs. Index Mutual Fund (IMF) goes like this:

Active trader = ETF
Passive investor = ETF or IMF
Passive investor w/o future purchases = ETF
Passive investor w/future purchase = IMF

Part of this depends upon the amount of the ongoing investments, but for most that are doing $50, $100, or even $200 each month or pay period, mutual funds offer cost savings over ETFs.

To Steve&#039;s point about being able to &#039;react&#039; to major events, I&#039;d say that&#039;s a personal preference.  The overwhelming majority of academic research favors Nickel&#039;s more passive strategy and I would argue that changes in one&#039;s personal situation are far more relevant to shifts in investment allocations than any market forces.

Active traders love ETFs, passive investors can love them too...if it saves them money.

@Manshu - while you could buy one share of an ETF and avoid an investment minimum in some funds, it&#039;s also important to consider the cost of the trade to buy a single share.  I&#039;ve been very impressed with the efforts of Zecco, TradeKing, and Sharebuilder to deliver ETFs and other securities at a very low cost.  However, they&#039;re still not zero.

In addition, there are plenty of quality mutual funds both actively and passively managed that waive minimums in exchange for systematic contributions of $25 to $100 per quarter.

@Nickel - good topic, and love the Bernstein reference.  Oh, and enjoy the Admiral share class...it&#039;s nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic rule for ETF vs. Index Mutual Fund (IMF) goes like this:</p>
<p>Active trader = ETF<br />
Passive investor = ETF or IMF<br />
Passive investor w/o future purchases = ETF<br />
Passive investor w/future purchase = IMF</p>
<p>Part of this depends upon the amount of the ongoing investments, but for most that are doing $50, $100, or even $200 each month or pay period, mutual funds offer cost savings over ETFs.</p>
<p>To Steve&#8217;s point about being able to &#8216;react&#8217; to major events, I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s a personal preference.  The overwhelming majority of academic research favors Nickel&#8217;s more passive strategy and I would argue that changes in one&#8217;s personal situation are far more relevant to shifts in investment allocations than any market forces.</p>
<p>Active traders love ETFs, passive investors can love them too&#8230;if it saves them money.</p>
<p>@Manshu &#8211; while you could buy one share of an ETF and avoid an investment minimum in some funds, it&#8217;s also important to consider the cost of the trade to buy a single share.  I&#8217;ve been very impressed with the efforts of Zecco, TradeKing, and Sharebuilder to deliver ETFs and other securities at a very low cost.  However, they&#8217;re still not zero.</p>
<p>In addition, there are plenty of quality mutual funds both actively and passively managed that waive minimums in exchange for systematic contributions of $25 to $100 per quarter.</p>
<p>@Nickel &#8211; good topic, and love the Bernstein reference.  Oh, and enjoy the Admiral share class&#8230;it&#8217;s nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Manshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can buy just one stock of an ETF, while MFs usually have a minimum investment required. That doesn&#039;t matter to a lot of people, but others with little to spare are influenced by that factor as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can buy just one stock of an ETF, while MFs usually have a minimum investment required. That doesn&#8217;t matter to a lot of people, but others with little to spare are influenced by that factor as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a major issue w/me.....

I think you have to use the proper tool given your own situation.  There is nothing inherently bad about actively managed funds.  

Are they more expensive?  Yes.

Do they outperform ETF&#039;s?  Many do.

For a long-term buy and hold (something I&#039;m not a fan of) the ETF is pretty attractive.

For someone who is more active (like myself), it doesn&#039;t matter.  All I care about is return and I make my decisions based on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a major issue w/me&#8230;..</p>
<p>I think you have to use the proper tool given your own situation.  There is nothing inherently bad about actively managed funds.  </p>
<p>Are they more expensive?  Yes.</p>
<p>Do they outperform ETF&#8217;s?  Many do.</p>
<p>For a long-term buy and hold (something I&#8217;m not a fan of) the ETF is pretty attractive.</p>
<p>For someone who is more active (like myself), it doesn&#8217;t matter.  All I care about is return and I make my decisions based on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: I don&#039;t like incurring brokerage costs every time I want to make an incremental investment. For us (and for our investing style -- buy and hold with monthly purchases), that expense would outweigh the advantages. Yes, we could move all of our investments to a &quot;commission-free&quot; broker, but I don&#039;t want the hassle. A possible workaround that we&#039;ve considered has been to accrue shares through the mutual fund version on an ongoing basis, and then convert to the ETF version periodically to minimize the number of transactions. 

P.S. You&#039;re correct on the title -- I used &quot;index fund&quot; as a shorthand for index mutual fund, but since the &quot;F&quot; in ETF stands for fund, it&#039;s kind of confusing. I&#039;ll correct it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: I don&#8217;t like incurring brokerage costs every time I want to make an incremental investment. For us (and for our investing style &#8212; buy and hold with monthly purchases), that expense would outweigh the advantages. Yes, we could move all of our investments to a &#8220;commission-free&#8221; broker, but I don&#8217;t want the hassle. A possible workaround that we&#8217;ve considered has been to accrue shares through the mutual fund version on an ongoing basis, and then convert to the ETF version periodically to minimize the number of transactions. </p>
<p>P.S. You&#8217;re correct on the title &#8212; I used &#8220;index fund&#8221; as a shorthand for index mutual fund, but since the &#8220;F&#8221; in ETF stands for fund, it&#8217;s kind of confusing. I&#8217;ll correct it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t confuse the difference between ETFs and an index *mutual* fund.  At the core, an ETF is an index-based security.  The title makes it sound like an ETF is not based on an index, which is misleading.

I&#039;m convinced an ETF is always better than the mutual fund.  They give the investor more control.  If you have self-control, you can do everything through an ETF as you can in a mutual fund, but and sell only at the end of the day if you want to mimic the mutual fund.

Here&#039;s the one thing that convinces me of always using an ETF over a fund -&gt; if some major event happens in the middle of a day, you can react.  When September 11 happened, you could have immediately sold off your portfolio rather than have to wait until the end of the day and been last in line.

Also, I like seeing exactly what I&#039;m buying at and the total costs, etc, which you can do in a brokerage.  With a mutual fund you usually have to wait until the next day to see your transaction report and the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse the difference between ETFs and an index *mutual* fund.  At the core, an ETF is an index-based security.  The title makes it sound like an ETF is not based on an index, which is misleading.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced an ETF is always better than the mutual fund.  They give the investor more control.  If you have self-control, you can do everything through an ETF as you can in a mutual fund, but and sell only at the end of the day if you want to mimic the mutual fund.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the one thing that convinces me of always using an ETF over a fund -&gt; if some major event happens in the middle of a day, you can react.  When September 11 happened, you could have immediately sold off your portfolio rather than have to wait until the end of the day and been last in line.</p>
<p>Also, I like seeing exactly what I&#8217;m buying at and the total costs, etc, which you can do in a brokerage.  With a mutual fund you usually have to wait until the next day to see your transaction report and the result.</p>
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		<title>By: John DeFlumeri Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DeFlumeri Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that discussion, it made sense to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that discussion, it made sense to me!</p>
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